Still no spoilers 

"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone) 12/27/2015 at 19:54 • Filed to: None

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And I still can’t believe that there people who are still debating whether Anakin Skywalker brought balance to the force or not.

The Jedi point of view is foolish and arrogant. Their questionable moral edge is fueled by playing key roles in various conflicts. Their lack of vision and suspicious attitude towards Jedi Knights playing political roles make their whole organization pretty week on its feet, and simply unable to accomplish their trumpeted role of maintaining galactic peace.

Dr Emilio Lizardo > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/27/2015 at 20:42

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Mind if I share this to the Observation Deck?

Justin T. Westbrook > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/27/2015 at 21:15

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There’s also the sort of fucked-up aspect that “balance” in the force is perpetual war.

Sure there were 2 v 2 Jedi and Sith at the end of Episode III, but also —

Anakin spawned Luke and Leia, who would go on to defeat the Empire and bring about “balance” between good and evil.

And then carrying on into Ep. VII without any spoilers, yet again we have a rebellion keeping up with an imperial First Order, and a relative balance between good and evil is maintained, all motivated by the lineage of Anakin.

No matter which way you cut it, Anakin brought balance to the force.

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/28/2015 at 06:10

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Yeah I’m of the opinion that the Jedi aren’t necessarily the ‘good guys’. Yes they’re morally upright, but they’re just as dogmatic as the Sith. They meddle in the affairs of others constantly, imposing their will upon everyone else. Their rules about Jedi falling in love are cruel and ultimately serve to bring about their downfall (if Anakin were able to love Padme without stigma, the Emperor would never have been able to use that as leverage against him). Also, their suppression of all of their negative emotions is equally to blame. It’s not a conquering of fear, hate and anger. It’s denial.

Then, along comes Luke who is neither Jedi (as he allows himself to feel love, hate, anger and fear) nor Sith (although he feels them, they don’t consume him) so at the end of the original saga, Luke is a new type of force-sensitive. Neither a dogmatic Jedi, nor an evil Sith.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Dr Emilio Lizardo 12/28/2015 at 08:26

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Not at all.

Dr Emilio Lizardo > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/28/2015 at 09:12

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Done.

(kinja willing)

FrankN.Stein > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/28/2015 at 09:18

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Well, to be fair, the Sith decided to go by the rule of two because they used to backstab and massacre each other whenever more than that showed up... At least the Jedi managed to build a stable structure for 1000s of years.

That said, it’s pretty obvious that their dogmatism and failure to acknowledge change, the development of individuals and the possibility of their own failure made it possible that eventually they did fail. At least hey meant well, but as it happens in organizations that last for so long, they became self centered and lost their way.

Which is why it’ll be interesting to see whe the Jedi go after - what happened to them in between Episodes VI and VII...

Early Discloser > BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires 12/28/2015 at 09:31

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their rules about Jedi falling in love are cruel

Religion!

¯\_()_/¯

artiofab > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/28/2015 at 10:20

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in re: “balance” to “the Force”, depends on what those two terms mean.

in re: the Jedi being bad at their job (presumably of helping keep order and peace in the galaxy in general) during any time of conflict? Oh yeah. The key to writing almost any Expanded Universe story is to

1) say the galaxy is at peace, in part due to the stabilizing nature of the Jedi Order
2) introduce a threat to that peace
3) have the Jedi Order not be able to handle it without something
4) show the conflict that arises because of that

Knights of the Old Republic and its sequel both exist because a new threat to a galaxy at peace caused the Jedi Order to fracture and come to war with itself. The Prequel trilogy shows a galaxy (relatively) at peace which has the Jedi Order not able to handle a reintroduced Sith power and then fighting one another. etc. etc. etc. repeat repeat repeat

X37.9XXS > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/28/2015 at 10:22

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I think I may have figured it out

It is not Shakespearean, it would have been penned by Aeschylus

The curse of the House of Skywalker

http://www.classics.upenn.edu/myth/php/trage…

(there does not seem to be any canonical proof as to the identity of Anakin’s father)

JDW > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/28/2015 at 10:52

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The view the Jedi seem to take is that the force is inherently good, so using it for evil is unbalancing it. Bringing the force into balance, seen in this way, means destroying the Sith. Whether this is correct or not, it seems to be the view espoused by the films themselves.

umataro42 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/28/2015 at 11:37

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I always thought that too, the Jedi clearly misinterpreted the prophecy, which happens all the time in movies.

Fondumentalist > Justin T. Westbrook 12/28/2015 at 12:42

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“Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.”

The Jedi training seems to run counter to Yoda’s sales pitch. We want you to feel a connection to all things, but we don’t want you to become involved. Personal connections cloud judgement... strong emotions lead down the path of the dark side...

denverhed > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/28/2015 at 12:57

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yeah, it would’ve helped if there had been any sort of exposition that explained exactly what it meant to “balance the force” in the first place... what would having the force balanced accomplish? Why was it something the Jedi wanted to have happen at all?

Like the virgin birth and midichlorian stuff, the whole “chosen one” storyline was just one more prequel plot point that could’ve been left on the cutting room floor without affecting the story one way or the other.